"A Jetboil is so fuel efficient that you'll save weight." What they mean of course is that a Jetboil canister stove will save weight overall

*compared to*a "regular" canister stove set up, a regular canister stove set up being a set up without a heat exchanger.

That's an interesting statement. I mean if we can save weight, wouldn't we want to? Of course we would! But is it true? Let's do the math. If you find math a little boring, don't worry. The detailed calculations will be kept in the appendices.

The backcountry: beautiful, but too heavy a pack can ruin your whole trip. Will a Jetboil save you weight? |

First, since we're talking about fuel efficiency, how much fuel weight are we talking about here? Well, you hear about Jetboils being able to do about nineteen or twenty boils of 500 ml of water per boil using a 100 g sized canister. That works out to about 5 g of fuel used per boil, best case. Obviously water temperature, air temperature, flame setting, wind velocity, elevation, etc. are going to affect that number, but for our comparison, let's go with 5 g per 500 ml boil.

My own experience with "regular" canister stoves (i.e. a stove set up without a heat exchanger) tells me that it takes about 7 to 8 g to boil 500 ml of water. Again that number will vary with conditions, but for our comparison, let's go with 8 g of fuel used per 500 ml boil.

If a Jetboil uses 5 g per 500 ml boil and a regular stove 8 g, then we save 3 g of fuel per boil. Our actual savings will vary depending on conditions and the skill of the user, but let's go with a 3 g savings per 500 ml boil for our comparison. Let's also assume that we boil water twice a day, once in the morning and once in the evening. Obviously, in real life, some people will boil more or less water and will boil more or less frequently, but let's just use these numbers for comparative purposes and see what they tell us.

Upper Rae Lake, Sierra Nevada Mountains |

Trip Length (Days) | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 |

Fuel Weight
Savings (g) |
6 | 12 | 18 | 24 | 30 | 36 | 92 | 98 | 104 | 110 | 66 | 72 | 78 | 84 |

Now, this is just fuel weight savings, not overall system weight savings, but those numbers look pretty good. But what the heck happens on day 11? How come our weight savings declines? Well, at that point, we have to switch up to the next larger canister, a 230 g canister when using the Jetboil, a switch that occurred on day 7 with a regular stove. This is important; more on this later.

Note that I'm using exact numbers for each 500 ml boil. In real life of course, conditions vary. Always plan with a margin for error. In other words, bring a bit more fuel than you think you'll need in case conditions force you to burn more fuel than planned. The numbers here are for comparison purposes only and should not be used for actual trip planning.

Longer trips are where more efficient stoves may save weight |

Full "System to System" Comparison

The preceding section was just fuel weight. To get a full comparison, we need to compare the total weight carried of a Jetboil vs. a regular canister stove. The total weight would be calculated as follows: Fuel weight + canister weight + burner weight + pot weight = total weight. I won't include anything like canister stands or that sort of thing.

Now there are several problems here. First, how do we get a weight for a "regular" canister stove? I mean some non-Jetboil stoves weigh 6+ ounces while some weigh less than 2. We're going to have to make some kind of a decision here as to what burner or burners will be representative of "regular" canister stoves (non heat exchanger set ups). Since our goal here is to save weight, it's reasonable to pick a relatively light weight burner. Nowadays, the lightest burners from major stove companies are generally coming in around two ounces (57 g) or less. I do computations in grams, so for ease of computation, let's assume our "representative" non-Jetboil burner is a nice even number, say, 60 g (2.1 oz). Realize of course that there are lighter burners or heavier burners. If you're looking at a particular burner, you can just substitute the weight of the particular burner you're interested in for my numbers here.

Various versions of the Jetboil L to R: Joule (2.5 L), Sumo (1.5 L), PCS (1.0 L), and Sol (0.8 L). |

Third, what pot should we use? Obviously the Jetboil Ti Sol comes with a 0.8 L pot, but regular stoves do not. Since we're talking about weight here, I'm going to use a similarly sized "plain" (no heat exchanger) titanium pot, the Evernew 0.9 L ultralight pot.

Comparison 1 – Jetboil Ti Sol

So, with our comparison of the Jetboil Ti Sol to a regular canister stove set up, what have we got? Let's do the math (full calculations in Appendix I). If we use the fuel savings from above, we come up with the numbers in the third row of the below chart. Some of those savings look pretty good. For example, on a 10 day trip, we'd save 72 grams overall, about 2.5 oz.

Jetboil Ti Sol vs Regular | ||||||||||||||

Trip Length (Days) | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 |

Net Savings, partial cans (g) | -32 | -26 | -20 | -14 | -8 | -2 | 54 | 60 | 66 | 72 | 28 | 34 | 40 | 46 |

Net Savings, full cans (g) | -122 | -106 | -90 | -74 | -58 | -42 | 24 | 40 | 56 | 72 | -92 | -76 | -60 | -44 |

Net Savings, full cans (oz) | -4.3 | -3.7 | -3.2 | -2.6 | -2.0 | -1.5 | 0.8 | 1.4 | 2.0 | 2.5 | -3.2 | -2.7 | -2.1 | -1.6 |

But are the weight savings real? Well, possibly not. You'd have to empty your canister before your trip to the exact amount of fuel you need. What a hassle! Oh, and did you let out too much gas? Whoops, you just wasted a canister, and now you'll have to start over.

What in reality most people do is start with a full canister. If you start with a full canister, the weight savings are shown by the fourth line. There are still weight savings, but they don't start until about a week, and the weight savings are never more than about 75 g/2.5 ounces. Seven to ten days appears to be the sweet spot where you'll save weight – with a Jetboil Ti Sol. It matters very much which version of the Jetboil one uses as we shall see in our next comparison.

Comparison 2 – Jetboil MiniMo

OK, let's do another comparison, this time with Jetboil's latest, the MiniMo. Everything is going to be pretty much the same in terms of the regular stove except that I'm going to use a bigger pot. The MiniMo's pot is 1.0 L (the Sol's is 0.8 L), so in order to get a reasonable comparison, I need a pot that is about a liter in size. In this case, I will use the 1.3 L Evernew Ultralight titanium pot.

Here are the numbers (full calculations in the appendices):

Jetboil MiniMo vs Regular | ||||||||||||||

Trip Length (Days) | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 |

Net Savings, partial cans (g) | -174 | -168 | -162 | -156 | -150 | -144 | -88 | -82 | -76 | -70 | -114 | -108 | -102 | -96 |

Net Savings, full cans (g) | -264 | -248 | -232 | -216 | -200 | -184 | -118 | -102 | -86 | -70 | -234 | -218 | -202 | -186 |

Net Savings, full cans (oz) | -9.3 | -8.7 | -8.2 | -7.6 | -7.1 | -6.5 | -4.2 | -3.6 | -3.0 | -2.5 | -8.3 | -7.7 | -7.1 | -6.6 |

As in the previous example, the fourth line is going to give us the best estimates of weight savings, but in this case note that there are NO weight savings. Using a MiniMo will always result in an overall weight penalty. The weight savings due to fuel efficiency is insufficient to generate any overall weight savings. The MiniMo is just too heavy.

Always carry the smallest practical canister size. Larger canisters have more steel and more fuel and therefore more weight. |

Concluding Remarks

Perhaps this is obvious from the above, but:

1. The version of the Jetboil one uses matters. Some Jetboils will save you weight overall in some circumstances. Other Jetboils will not.

2. The pot and stove one selects for one's regular canister stove matters. I used ultralight titanium pots in my comparisons. If you use heavier or lighter pots or stoves, you should substitute your weights for mine.

3. Weight savings are achieved with a more efficient stove only when that efficiency allows you to avoid having to switch up to the next size larger canister (or worse carry two canisters). Carrying the extra steel in the larger canister and the extra gas is a weight penalty you want to avoid. An extra canister, even the smallest size, weighs about 7.4 oz/211 g. That's nearly ½ pound. In terms of saving weight,

*always*avoid taking an extra canister or moving up to the next sized canister.

4. It's worth noting that all of the weights I'm giving are the weight at the

*start*of the trip. As you burn fuel, your weight will decrease. Ironically, fuel efficiency works

*against*you here. In other words, a stove that burns more fuel will result in a lighter load toward the end of a trip. Of course, your pack is always heaviest on day one, so weight savings up front are the savings that matter most.

5. Note that I've used Jetboil stoves in these comparisons. However, these things apply to any integrated canister stove such as those from Primus or MSR.

I hope you find this post helpful. As always, I thank you for joining me.

HJ

Appendix I – Jetboil Sol Ti vs Regular Canister Stove Calculations

Jetboil
Ti Sol Stove |
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Trip Length (Days) | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 |

Grams per 500 ml boil | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 |

500 ml boils per day | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 |

Total grams fuel needed | 10 | 20 | 30 | 40 | 50 | 60 | 70 | 80 | 90 | 100 | 110 | 120 | 130 | 140 |

Canister weight (g) | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 150 | 150 | 150 | 150 |

Total fuel + can (g) | 110 | 120 | 130 | 140 | 150 | 160 | 170 | 180 | 190 | 200 | 260 | 270 | 280 | 290 |

Regular Stove |
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Trip Length (Days) | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 |

Grams per 500 ml boil | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 |

500 ml boils per day | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 |

Total grams fuel needed | 16 | 32 | 48 | 64 | 80 | 96 | 112 | 128 | 144 | 160 | 176 | 192 | 208 | 224 |

Canister weight | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 150 | 150 | 150 | 150 | 150 | 150 | 150 | 150 |

Total fuel + can | 116 | 132 | 148 | 164 | 180 | 196 | 262 | 278 | 294 | 310 | 326 | 342 | 358 | 374 |

Trip Length (Days) | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 |

Fuel Weight Savings (g) | 6 | 12 | 18 | 24 | 30 | 36 | 92 | 98 | 104 | 110 | 66 | 72 | 78 | 84 |

Jetboil Sol Burner (g) | 102 | 102 | 102 | 102 | 102 | 102 | 102 | 102 | 102 | 102 | 102 | 102 | 102 | 102 |

Regular Burner (g) | 60 | 60 | 60 | 60 | 60 | 60 | 60 | 60 | 60 | 60 | 60 | 60 | 60 | 60 |

Burner Weight Penalty (g) | 42 | 42 | 42 | 42 | 42 | 42 | 42 | 42 | 42 | 42 | 42 | 42 | 42 | 42 |

Jetboil Ti Sol Pot (g) | 106 | 106 | 106 | 106 | 106 | 106 | 106 | 106 | 106 | 106 | 106 | 106 | 106 | 106 |

Evernew Ultralight 0.9 L (g) | 110 | 110 | 110 | 110 | 110 | 110 | 110 | 110 | 110 | 110 | 110 | 110 | 110 | 110 |

Pot Weight Savings (g) | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 |

Jetboil Ti Sol vs Regular |
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Trip Length (Days) | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 |

Net Savings, partial cans (g) | -32 | -26 | -20 | -14 | -8 | -2 | 54 | 60 | 66 | 72 | 28 | 34 | 40 | 46 |

Net Savings,
full cans (g) |
-122 | -106 | -90 | -74 | -58 | -42 | 24 | 40 | 56 | 72 | -92 | -76 | -60 | -44 |

Net Savings,
full cans (oz) |
-4.3 | -3.7 | -3.2 | -2.6 | -2.0 | -1.5 | 0.8 | 1.4 | 2.0 | 2.5 | -3.2 | -2.7 | -2.1 | -1.6 |

Full canister fuel weight (g) | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 230 | 230 | 230 | 230 |

Excess fuel carried (g) | 90 | 80 | 70 | 60 | 50 | 40 | 30 | 20 | 10 | 0 | 120 | 110 | 100 | 90 |

Jetboil Ti Sol (left), Jetboil MiniMo (right) |

Appendix II – Jetboil MiniMo vs Regular Canister Stove Calculations

Jetboil
MiniMo Stove |
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Trip Length (Days) | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 |

Grams per 500 ml boil | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 |

500 ml boils per day | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 |

Total grams fuel needed | 10 | 20 | 30 | 40 | 50 | 60 | 70 | 80 | 90 | 100 | 110 | 120 | 130 | 140 |

Canister weight (g) | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 150 | 150 | 150 | 150 |

Total fuel + can (g) | 110 | 120 | 130 | 140 | 150 | 160 | 170 | 180 | 190 | 200 | 260 | 270 | 280 | 290 |

Regular Stove |
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Trip Length (Days) | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 |

Grams per 500 ml boil | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 |

500 ml boils per day | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 |

Total grams fuel needed | 16 | 32 | 48 | 64 | 80 | 96 | 112 | 128 | 144 | 160 | 176 | 192 | 208 | 224 |

Canister weight (g) | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 150 | 150 | 150 | 150 | 150 | 150 | 150 | 150 |

Total fuel + can (g) | 116 | 132 | 148 | 164 | 180 | 196 | 262 | 278 | 294 | 310 | 326 | 342 | 358 | 374 |

Trip Length (Days) | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 |

Fuel Weight Savings (g) | 6 | 12 | 18 | 24 | 30 | 36 | 92 | 98 | 104 | 110 | 66 | 72 | 78 | 84 |

Jetboil MiniMo Burner (g) | 130 | 130 | 130 | 130 | 130 | 130 | 130 | 130 | 130 | 130 | 130 | 130 | 130 | 130 |

Regular Burner (g) | 60 | 60 | 60 | 60 | 60 | 60 | 60 | 60 | 60 | 60 | 60 | 60 | 60 | 60 |

Burner Weight Penalty (g) | 70 | 70 | 70 | 70 | 70 | 70 | 70 | 70 | 70 | 70 | 70 | 70 | 70 | 70 |

Jetboil MiniMo Pot (g) | 240 | 240 | 240 | 240 | 240 | 240 | 240 | 240 | 240 | 240 | 240 | 240 | 240 | 240 |

Evernew Ultralight 1.3 L (g) | 130 | 130 | 130 | 130 | 130 | 130 | 130 | 130 | 130 | 130 | 130 | 130 | 130 | 130 |

Pot Weight Savings (g) | -110 | -110 | -110 | -110 | -110 | -110 | -110 | -110 | -110 | -110 | -110 | -110 | -110 | -110 |

Jetboil MiniMo vs Regular |
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Trip Length (Days) | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 |

Net Savings, partial cans (g) | -174 | -168 | -162 | -156 | -150 | -144 | -88 | -82 | -76 | -70 | -114 | -108 | -102 | -96 |

Net Savings,
full cans (g) |
-264 | -248 | -232 | -216 | -200 | -184 | -118 | -102 | -86 | -70 | -234 | -218 | -202 | -186 |

Net Savings,
full cans (oz) |
-9.3 | -8.7 | -8.2 | -7.6 | -7.1 | -6.5 | -4.2 | -3.6 | -3.0 | -2.5 | -8.3 | -7.7 | -7.1 | -6.6 |

Full canister fuel weight (g) | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 230 | 230 | 230 | 230 |

Excess fuel carried (g) | 90 | 80 | 70 | 60 | 50 | 40 | 30 | 20 | 10 | 0 | 120 | 110 | 100 | 90 |

Thank you for this. It was very helpful and I can tell you put a lot of time in. Will bookmark and visit in future when considering purchases/what to pack.

ReplyDeleteYou're welcome, and I hope it will be useful.

DeleteHJ

I love this information, but overall, I did not understand how to apply it completely. I wanted to buy the MiniMo because my three options are JB MiniMo, MSR Windboiler, and JB Flash. According to these kinds of numbers, which is best for weight savings overall?

ReplyDeleteThe JB Flash will generally be lightest overall EXCEPT if there are strong winds where you intend to go. If you go into areas with strong winds and it is hard to shelter a stove effectively, the Windboiler will save the most weight.

ReplyDeleteHJ

This is good information. I see ewhat I believe to be an error in the fuel weight savings that you calculated. The fuel saved is not weight saved, but in fact is weight added, as you explained. IE. The weight of the canister after 3 days would be 18g lighter at the end of day 1 than the Jetboil. Therefore the weight differential should increase by day, until you switch to a larger canister, or add an additional canister. I think the total fuel + can equation should be weight of new can minus fuel used. I may have missed something though, so please correct me if I'm wrong.

ReplyDeleteI read what you had written again. I see where I misunderstood. You are correct... this is the difference in weight on the first day of the hike.

DeleteA bit off-topic but since you have both pictured together, I was wondering if you could tell me how well the Sol ti cup fits on the Minimo burner? I have a MiniMo that I won in a contest and instead of buying a whole new system, I was considering just purchasing a sol ti companion cup in order to lighten the load/decrease pack space. Thanks for your help.

ReplyDeleteThe cups are interchangeable.

DeleteHJ

Hi, I came across your site just as I was about to buy a new jet boil. Your numbers here are interesting but I have another twist to add to your calculations. I am planning a 5 day ski trip with 1 other person. We will be melting snow for water and there for using more fuel. Would it be possible for you to add to your calculation to include the extra fuel usages? 2 people, 1 stove, 5 days. 1L or 1.8L pot. Thanks!

ReplyDeleteTake a look at this post:

Deletehttps://adventuresinstoving.blogspot.com/2017/02/gas-vs-alcohol-which-is-lighter.html

At that post there is a downloadable spreadsheet. Download the spreadsheet and plug in the numbers that are appropriate for your plans. That will give you the best possible estimates for your particular circumstances.

HJ

Awesome amount of information except... What is a "regular" stove? An alcohol stove? A pocket rocket? Thanks in advance for a reply, maybe you can show piece by piece what you think the best system is

ReplyDeleteThe comparisons here all involve canister stoves, i.e. stoves that use a canister of liquefied petroleum gas, typically some combination of butane, isobutane, and propane.

DeleteA "regular" canister stove set up is simply one that does not incorporate a heat exchanger. In other words, a plain bottomed pot is employed.

HJ

I've now updated the post slightly to hopefully make it clearer what type of stove I'm referring to (canister) and what a regular stove setup is (one without a heat exchanger).

DeleteHJ