UPDATE 30 December 2016: MSR PocketRocket Review Supplement #1
UPDATE 25 January 2017: MSR PocketRocket Review Supplement #2
See also: The MSR Pocket Rocket 2 vs. the Soto Amicus
|The new MSR Pocket Rocket 2|
Note: Gone as well is the Micro Rocket.
The obvious gain here is in compactness. For example, no matter how you turn it, the original Pocket Rocket just isn't going to fit into a 550 ml mug shaped pot, the kind that a 110 g canister of gas nests in. You can't lay it flat, you can't put it in diagonally, and you can't stand it up straight.
|The original Pocket Rocket just won't fit in a little 550 ml mug shaped pot.|
|The new Pocket Rocket 2 fits into a 550 ml mug type pot with room to spare.|
There's also a fairly significant weight reduction over the original Pocket Rocket. The new Pocket Rocket 2 weighs in at 73 g (2.6 oz) vs. 87 g (3.1 oz) for the original.
|The Pocket Rocket 2 weighs in at 73 g (2.6 oz).|
Now, some of you are no doubt saying to yourselves, "um, gosh, but the Pocket Rocket 2 looks a whole lot like the Micro Rocket." Well, if you were thinking that, you'd be right, BUT there's just a bit more to it than that.
|The Micro Rocket, left, and the new Pocket Rocket 2, right.|
For example, if one were to use something small like, say, a Sierra cup, you were balanced on little more than a prayer.
|The pot supports on a Micro Rocket are just barely there with smaller diameter pots.|
|The greatly improved pot supports of the Pocket Rocket 2 offer a lot more support for small diameter pots, cups, or mugs.|
|The new Pocket Rocket 2, upper left. The Micro Rocket, lower right.|
More teeth (and longer) = better grip.
Note: Nearly all I wrote in my review of the Micro Rocket applies to the Pocket Rocket 2.
The original Pocket Rocket had an MSRP of $40. The Micro Rocket had an MSRP of $60. The new Pocket Rocket 2 has an MSRP of $45.
I think this is good news. One receives all the benefits of the improved features and reduced weight of the Pocket Rocket 2 at only a nominal price increase over the original. MSR is basically merging the two product lines (Pocket Rocket and Micro Rocket) into one and passing on the cost savings to you, the end user.
The Micro Rocket, left. The new Pocket Rocket 2, center. The original Pocket Rocket, right.
I think this new stove is a win for someone like you or like I – a back country stove user. It looks like MSR just didn't find the two pronged approach of having two very similar stoves (the Pocket Rocket and the Micro Rocket) advantageous. So, they've decided to cut costs – while at the same time improving the stove overall. In so cutting, they're able to offer a better stove, the Pocket Rocket 2, at a much cheaper price. Whereas one formerly had to pay a premium to get the compactness and lightness of the Micro Rocket, now one gets the improved features and reduced weight at a very much reduced cost.
There is additional information in the appendices, below, about flame control, height, and other changes.
- For availability and technical data, see Appendix I.
- For flame control (simmering capability), see Appendix II. Nice flame shots here. :)
- For other changes (case and ignition), see Appendix III
- For a height comparison, see Appendix IV
- For disclosures, see Appendix V.
So, the Pocket Rocket is dead, but long live the Pocket Rocket 2!
The MSR Pocket Rocket 2
What's good about it.
- Good price point
- Nice compactness
- Robust, simple, and solid
- Good flame control – see Appendix II, below.
- Reduced weight as compared to the original
- The tops of the pot supports aren't completely level when fully deployed. The supports all slope downward into the center toward the burner. Better grip would be achieved were the tops of the pot supports all level (i.e. in the same plane) similar to how the Soto Amicus is configured.
- The open burner is vulnerable to wind.
- A further weight reduction would have been most welcome at this juncture.
The MSR Pocket Rocket 2: Highly recommended.
Appendix I – Manufacturer and Technical Data
Date Available: January, 2017 – see MSR Pocket Rocket Review Supplement for any updates
Manufacturer: Mountain Safety Research (MSR), a subsidiary of Cascade Designs.
Manufacturer's Website: http://www.cascadedesigns.com/MSR
Weight (measured): 73 g/2.6 oz
Materials: Primarily steel and aluminum
Packed dimensions: 1 11/16" x 1 11/16" x 3" (43 mm x 43 mm x 76 mm).
Unpacked dimensions: 4 3/4" x 4 3/4" x 3 9/16" (121 mm x 121 mm x 90 mm)
Size/Model tested: Pocket Rocket 2.
Colors available: Silver with a red valve block.
Requirements: A standard threaded canister of gas, sold separately. (Well, that and a pot of course)
Warranty Information: Contact Cascade Designs through their website (see above).
|The Pocket Rocket 2 – full power.|
|The Pocket Rocket 2 – medium flame.|
|The Pocket Rocket 2 – low flame.|
|Big flames + small pot = big waste|
|A flame, properly adjusted, never exceeds the diameter of the pot.|
Appendix III – Other Changes
There are a few changes as the original Pocket Rocket and the Micro Rocket go the way of the Dodo (i.e. extinct).
There's a new, much easier to use case for the Pocket Rocket 2. The original Pocket Case wasn't bad, but it was a bit bulky, and sometimes it would warp a bit making it hard to get the stove in and then close the case.
|The original Pocket Rocket's case, left, the Micro Rocket's case, center, and the new Pocket Rocket 2's case, right.|
|The Pocket Rocket 2 in it's completely re-designed (and much improved) case.|
|The new Pocket Rocket 2 doesn't come with a hand held piezo ignition, but there's room in the case if you want to carry one.|
The ignition in the above photo is from Kovea but is identical to the one sold by MSR except for the color and logo.
The height of the new Pocket Rocket 2, when fully deployed, remains consistent with the original Pocket Rocket (as well as the Micro Rocket).
|The original Pocket Rocket, left, the Micro Rocket, center, and the new Pocket Rocket 2, right – all about the same height.|
The stove featured in this review was provided to me at no charge by MSR. I have no financial relationship with MSR. I do not receive any compensation from MSR for this or any other review except that I typically get to keep the stove. I have pretty much every MSR stove known to man including many stoves that no longer exist (Firefly, Rapid Fire, "G" stove, Simmerlite, non-shaker Jet Whisperlite, etc.), so one more stove isn't a particularly big deal to me and certainly did not influence the way this review was written. I go out of my way to be thorough and objective in my reviews.
Also, I don't make money through this blog, not really. Sure, I have ads, and on a good day, I make about $2 USD. On a typical day, I make more like $1. Let's call it $35/month. That covers hosting fees and fuel, but precious little else, and certainly doesn't compensate me for my time. This is just my odd little hobby, and that's about all it is. There are those who have suggested that this blog is a plot to achieve world stove domination. Nothing could be further from the truth – although it is odd that those making such suggestions have all met with a series of freak white gas stove priming accidents...
Great write up! Thanks!ReplyDelete
You're welcome. Glad it's useful.Delete
I for one welcome our stove overlords.ReplyDelete
Thanks Jim! Always appreciate your input. You're my main stop for anything stove-related at this point.
Ha ha. Someone actually read the Disclosures. Lol.Delete
Thanks for the good comments.
Would you say this stove can be turned down to simmer?? Or is best to boil water?ReplyDelete
Take a look at the photos in Appendix II. It has a wide variety of flame settings. I had no problems with simmering.Delete
Jim, you continue to provide the "go to" place for all things backpacking stove. It's a real service to the community.ReplyDelete
Why thank you. I'm trying. :)
Any word on when this will be available for purchase? I don't see it for sale on any of the major retailers (REI, Amazon, etc).ReplyDelete
Hi, John, it's in Appendix I – Technical Data. I'll keep that updated as I get additional information.Delete
Thanks for the thorough review! I nearly bought the Micro Rocket after my beloved Pocket Rocket failed. Glad I didnt. Now it's gonna be the Pocket Rocket 2. Stove on!ReplyDelete
I hope it serves you well.Delete
How would you compare the Pocket Rocket 2 with the Kovea Supalite Stove?ReplyDelete
The Supalite is of course lighter by about 20 g (about half an ounce). The Supalite is a lot more compact. The Supalite's burner design will have a lot less carbon monoxide produced by the burn.Delete
I think Mass Drop has the Supalite on sale right now for about $35. For that price, I personally would jump on the Supalite.
Hi, Jim! :) Thank you for your help! :) Can any brand of canister be used? Many thanks! Daniel :)ReplyDelete
Daniel, yes, any canister sold in the US should work. I've heard of some sketchy ones in China, but any major brand should work internationally.Delete
Hi Jim, I have the micro rocket. Is it possible (if MRS made them available) to retrofit the newer supports arms on the micro?ReplyDelete
Actually, I think it would be fairly easy. You'd need an Allen wrench which is sometimes also called a "hex key". You'd unscrew the old ones and put on the new ones.Delete
The only trick would be to get MSR to send you the new pot supports. I suggest that you call them at 1-800-245-2992 and ask if they can send you a set. I assume that they would charge for them, if they are available. I'm not sure that they'd be available.
Out of interest, have you ever used either of the pocket rockets combined with a windburner pot?
Filip, I haven't. I think it might be a little tippy. On the burner portion of a Windburner, you've got a "rail" that the pot attaches to with a slot and dimple set up. You can pick up the whole assembly by the pot, and the burner and canister will stay together with the pot.Delete
It would probably work on a Pocket Rocket or PR2, but you'd have to be a bit careful.
You would gain some efficiency because of the way the pot is built, but you would NOT have a windproof stove the way you would with a regular Windburner burner.
Hello! I am looking to buy a stove as a gift for someone going on a backpacking trip. I know not all of their gear is super lightweight/backpacking specific. Would this stove be able to support a larger, not-so-lightweight pot?ReplyDelete
Well, it depends on how big you are talking about. I probably wouldn't go bigger than a three liter pot on a stove of this configuration, and you'd have to be fairly careful even then to not bump the pot.
But if you're talking about "large" and you mean under 3 liters, you should be fine.
If you're going larger than 2.5 or 3 liters, look at one of the following:
Thank you for the write-up. I just purchased the PR2 for my brother as a birthday gift, to replace his Chinese PR knock-off. I'm glad to see that it lives up to it's namesake.ReplyDelete
It's a very solid stove, Christof. It should stand up to some abuse. The threads are the most vulnerable portion. You must be careful to keep grit out of them, and of course never overtighten a stove. If you screw the stove down too far on to the canister, using force, you can strip the threads on the stove.Delete
Hi Jim just a great read well I have just found out about the BRS-3000T do you have ideas any thoughts about it I can no seam to find much about it I would not say it was good in the wind your thoughts would be great thanks jime great work bet I miss your write up on it daveReplyDelete
Have you seen my review of the BRS-3000T? That might be worth a read.
Hey - thanks very much for a very helpful informative piece. I particularly liked the last bit of the last paragraph. :0)ReplyDelete
About the "accidents" you mean? Just a bit of stove humor. :)Delete
If anyone has the answer to this, you will. Will the pocket rocket 2 fit inside a GSI Ketalist with the small canister and included mug/bowl? I own both pocket rockets (1 and 2) But I don't have a nearby store to check out the nesting ability. It fits perfectly in the GSI minimalist though. Thanks in advance for any insight.ReplyDelete