| The Kovea Spider's package |
UPDATE 10 Mar 2013: I've added a cooking report for the Kovea Spider.
Why I've been lusting after one of these ever since I saw it in the Kovea catalog. Aye, and she's a nice one.
| The Kovea Spider |
| A Kovea Spider (right) next to a Monatauk Gnat (left) |
But weight's not the whole story, now is it? Packability ranks very high on my list thank you very much. I like to be able to put my stove and a canister of gas inside my pot. It is here, in the packability department that the Kovea Spider shines. I tried my Kovea Spider in my 780ml Snow Peak Ti pot. It fit great, along with a 110g Snow Peak canister of gas. Note: The 780ml Snow Peak pot has a frying pan lid. Not all 780ml pots will work.
| A Kovea Spider fits easily along with a 110g canister of gas inside a 780ml Snow Peak Ti pot. |
| The Kovea Spider will fit into an MSR Titan kettle along with a 110g Snow Peak canister of gas. |
| An MSR Windpro II (left) in a 780ml Snow Peak pot. A Kovea Spider (right) in an 850ml MSR Titan kettle. With the Spider, there's room for a 110g gas canister! |
Now don't get me wrong, I like the Windpro II; it's a good stove. It's just that I've been wanting something lighter and more packable for some time. For groups of 3+, I might still choose the Windpro II, but for smaller parties, say from 1 to 3 people, I think the Kovea Spider will do very nicely.
Here's a video where I compare the packability of the Kovea Spider with that of an MSR Windpro II. In the video, I state that the Windpro II weighs 8 ounces, which is NOT correct. I must have been thinking about the stuff sack and windscreen or something. The correct weights are 168g/5.9oz for the Spider and 187g/6.6oz for the Windpro II.
Well, that's very nice that it's a bit lighter and a whole lot more packable, how about the stove itself?
Ah, good question. And in answer, let me say that I'm suitably impressed by Kovea's workmanship.
| The Kovea Spider is very well made |
| The Kovea Spider has a fold out flame adjuster. Works great with mittens. |
The stove comes with a pre-heat loop, so that you can gain about a 20 Fahrenheit degree (about 10 Celsius degrees) cold weather advantage over conventional upright gas stoves by running with the canister upside down, which causes the stove to be fed liquified gas.
| The pre heat loop on a Kovea Spider |
The burner head of the Kovea Spider is small, but this should be nothing new for those who have been using light weight conventional (upright) gas stoves.
| The burner head of the Kovea Spider |
| The legs of the Kovea Spider click into place for use. The legs are then pushed down as indicated by the arrow to release the lock and fold for stowage |
| A Kovea Spider simmering |
| A Kovea Spider on high flame. |
| A vigorous boil |
| A Kovea Spider with the canister inverted |
| A Kovea Spider in use with a full 360 degree windscreen. No problem; works great. |
In terms of pot sizes, the legs can support a wide variety of pots. The smallest diameter pot I tried was an MSR Titan kettle, but a smaller pot would be no problem. However, if you want to fit both the stove and a canister of gas in your pot, you can't go smaller than a Titan kettle.
| A Titan kettle on a Kovea Spider |
| An Evernew 1300ml pot on a Kovea Spider. Very stable. |
The stove comes with a detached piezoelectric ignition.
| The Kovea Spider comes with a separate piezoelectric ignition |
| The Kovea and MSR piezoelectric ignitions appear to be identical |
The Kovea Spider is easily my favorite gas stove to have come out in 2012.
| Testing the Kovea Spider on the PCT this past summer with my daughter. |
Summary
The Spider (KB-1109) remote canister gas stove from Kovea
What's Good about it
- Compact!
- Relatively light
- Capable of inverted canister use for cold weather
- Compatible with a full 360 degree windscreen
- The flames from the burner head angle outward which helps prevent "hot spotting"
- Well made; well designed
- Very affordable.
- At 168g/5.9oz, it's still a little heavy for what it is. More on that in my concluding remarks.
Concluding Remarks
I mentioned that I thought the stove was a bit heavy for what it is. Now, don't take that out of context. This is a very nice stove and has definitely made it into my "go to" gear bag. But I think more progress can be made here in future generations of the stove. The stove should be at least one ounce lighter than it is now and preferably two. To you Kovea, I throw down the proverbial gauntlet. If you don't do it, the Chinese will. I'd like to see you succeed because I know you will make a far better stove. I sincerely hope that you will take up this challenge. I want the stove that you will build!
Lastly, the Kovea brand is not available through conventional channels in the United States, but I do see the Kovea Spider being sold on eBay. The price I see listed is $52.90, which is roughly half of similar stoves from American producers. The Kovea Spider is not only a darned good stove, it's a darned good deal. It's my favorite inverted canister stove and my first recommendation to anyone looking for either a remote canister or inverted canister stove. In case you haven't already figured it out, I really like this stove.
UPDATE 30 March 2013: The Kovea Spider is now available through a US retailer, The Gear House, in Virginia. Note: I haven't ever purchased anything from the Gear House. This is just for your information.
Thank you for joining me on another Adventure in Stoving,
HJ
Appendix I, Radii of Stoves Featured in this Post
| Stove | Radius (cm) | Radius (In.) |
| Monatauk Gnat | 5.5 | 2.2 |
| Kovea Spider | 6.5 | 2.6 |
| MSR Windpro II | 7.2 | 2.8 |
Appendix II, Additional Video
I shot a video with my new camera. I'm still learning the ins and outs of my new camera, so I managed to cut off the video before I was done. Since it's cut off, I won't put this video in the body of the review, but even though it's cut off, the video should still give you some idea of what the stove is like.
Thanks for that - been considering a remote canister system to replace my PocketRocket...
ReplyDeleteYou're welcome, and this is a good one. There is a Chinese made stove, the Volcano, that is about 3/4 ounce lighter, but the quality just isn't there from what I can see.
DeleteHJ
Hey Jim,Thanx alot for the XLNT review & your Photo-Zen is still the optimal best!
ReplyDeleteHi, Rick,
DeleteYou're welcome. I got a new camera for Christmas, and I'm having fun with it.
HJ
i currently use the Optimus Vega for remote canister ... i really like the pot support on it and the little built in legs for liquid feed mode
ReplyDeleteHi, Jordan,
DeleteThe little legs on the Vega are definitely a nice idea, and the Vega is in the same general class as the Spider. The thing I like about the Spider is that it is so packable. When I tried to fit a gas canister and the Vega into a Titan kettle, I couldn't do it, but I could with the Spider.
Would I buy a Spider if I already had a Vega? Probably not. Looks like it should work well for you. I am very pleased to see so many new stoves of this type (remote canister) coming out.
HJ
Great write up. I like the stove a lot.
ReplyDeleteHi, Ross,
DeleteIsn't it a great little stove? I'm really liking how much stove they've packed into something so small.
HJ
I just ordered a Kovea Camp 5 off eBay (the Spider was not available). At the same time I ordered the Kovea LPG adapter. Now I am wondering if I can use the adapter to operate the Camp 5 stove using propane? I probably should have asked this before I ordered the stuff, but I didn't think of it then.
ReplyDeleteRalph McCall
Ralph,
DeleteYes, you should be able to operate your Camp 5 off of 100% propane using the Kovea LPG adapter, JUST BE CAREFUL. The vapor pressure is higher with propane, so your stove may be "jumpy." That is, a small turn of the valve may allow higher increments in the flame than you're used to. Be careful with it until you get used to it. And remember, there's no law that says you have to turn it up to 100% full flame.
HJ
Hey Jim!
ReplyDeleteThanks for another great review.
I've got Kovea Spider since October '12 and i should say it is very nice stove to cook meals and boil water. I used my MSR Titan kettle with it too.
Couple months ago I wrote a review of this stove. The review is in Russian, but there is a boiling test and some photos, that are understandable in any language.
http://propohody.com/kovea-spider-review/
Good luck with your new camera:)
Anton
Hi, Anton,
DeleteI saw your review. You have a lot of good photos in that review. Thanks for bringing it up here so that my readers will have a chance to view it if they like.
HJ
Hi Jim,
ReplyDeleteThanks for this great review. This sounds like just the stove I've been looking for. So based on your recommendation, I bought one on eBay. Now my Primus Spider is up for sale.
I see you like to cook while out packing. Here are two alternative food suggestions. Instead of regular pasta or rice, try angel hair pasta and Basmati rice. Both of these products are very fine and cook much faster than the standard. Angel hair pasta will be ready in about 3 minutes, and Basmati rice cooks in 15 minutes or less.
Hello, White Pine.
DeleteWhat a great name, by the way. We have three members of the white pine family here in California: Pinus monticola, Pinus Lambertiana, and Pinus Flexilis. Flexilis is a high altitude, extreme climate pine and is a favorite photographic subject of mine.
I've been super happy with my Kovea Spider. No complaints whatever. I hope your experience will be the same, but if it's not, then please re-visit this post and let us all know. (Actually, if your experience is good, say that too) :)
I'll have to try your recommendations as to Basmati rice and Angel hair. Thank you for that.
HJ
Just received my Spider in the mail today (3/29/13) and can't wait till tomorrow night to test it out, hopefully on the summit of Baldy. Will let you know the results.
ReplyDeleteHi, Hillbasher,
DeleteNice to have met you and your son out on the trail that one time near Dawson Saddle.
That's cool that you picked up a Kovea Spider. I really like the stove and think it's got a lot of versatility. I'll be interested to hear how you like it.
HJ
Love the stove beyond expectations. Well built, light enough for my uses, like the ability to invert the canister when temps drop, and the control of the flame is better than any stove I have ever used. Cooked up bacon and eggs in its first test and could not have been happier with the results. I rave about this stove to anyone that will listen, and recommend it to all. Am glad to see that it is now available here in the good old U.S. of A., and at not much more than I paid to get it straight from the manufacturer. I am glad to have found your review of it here on your blog, and keep up the excellent work you do for everyone with your reviews. Bill
DeleteHi, Bill,
DeleteWow! Great. That's great to hear that it's working for you. I have to say that I really like this stove and that everyone I've talked to so far does too. Sounds like you're getting really great results.
HJ